Here is the deal: if you are debating a leftist and you are not dragging them around by their hair with their own words until they cry uncle, your strategy sucks. You don’t truly understand the difference between true Liberalism and the evils these people embrace daily.
Let us take as an example the so-called Native Americans (who came from Asia, almost certainly). When the British colonists got here and set up camp, there were likely about 6 million in what became the United States. Some we killed, many we put into concentration camps that we called reservations.
Here is the question one needs to ask Ayers: is it WRONG to commit mass murder? Is this a bad thing? For all people, or just some people? Is it wrong to take people from their land and forcibly relocate them? If so, why? Universal human rights? Does he believe in these?
What the fuck do you think the North Vietnamese did when they won their war of aggression on the South? Mass murder, mass relocation, destruction of families and traditional ways of living. It seems likely that far more South Vietnamese died as a direct result of Communist atrocities just in that one conflict than Indians killed directly or indirectly by American force in the century of our expansion.
In the Trail of Tears somewhere between 2,000 and 6,000 Indians died. We all know about the Trail of Tears. Well guess what? Some 3,000 Vietnamese (you know the brown people that all look the same to left wingers) were EXECUTED in Hue ALONE just during the 1968 Tet Offensive (which failed so badly). They were murdered and their bodies hidden, all at the order of TOP Communist officials.
You want atrocity? Look at what was done by the people Ayers SUPPORTED, whose victory he did everything in his power to help secure.
Let me requote some dialogue–perfectly historically accurate dialogue (I will note that we now also have the testimonies of soldiers from the North; there is no doubt about what happened, at all, period), from the movie “The Green Berets”:
Miss Sutton: Yes, I guess horrible things happen in war, but that doesn’t mean they need us or
even want us.Doc: I’ll try to answer that question for you. Let me put it in terms we all can understand. If this
same thing happened here in the United States, every mayor in every city would be murdered;
every teacher that you’ve ever known would be tortured and killed; every professor you ever
heard of, every governor, every Senator, every member of the House of Representative and their combined families: all would be tortured and killed, and a like number kidnapped. But in spite of this, there’s always some little fellow out there willing to stand up and take the place of those who have been decimated. They need us, Miss Sutton, and they want us.Gladys Cooper: Sergeant, I’m Gladys Cooper, a housewife. It’s strange that we’ve never read of this in the newspapers.
Sgt. Muldoon: Well, that’s newspapers for you, ma’am. You could fill volumes with what you
don’t read in them.”
Read here for a very partial listing of NVA terror attacks, starting on Page 8. The terror goes all the way back to the very early days, when Ho Chi Minh was assassinating his rivals. Diem’s brother was buried alive.
Bill Ayers is a pompous prick. This was the reality in 1968, and things got worse, before a combination of American skill at arms, and South Vietnamese resolution not to let their nation fall to these sadistic savages enabled a general pacification of the South. Students of history will recall it was North Vietnamese tanks, not an indigenous uprising, that signaled the fall of Saigon.
None of this is in question historically. There is no doubt. I repeat, we have detailed memoirs from North Vietnamese commanders, many of whom have been interviewed.
Or, to look at the United States, would it have been wrong, given a Communist victory in the United States of the sort Ayers and his fellow sociopaths worked in their incoherent, intellectual and ineffectual way to facilitate (before they realized they needed an Obama), to murder 10 million Americans (to be clear, a number almost certainly larger than the entire population of Indians in the continental United States, most of whom we relocated, and did not kill), which is what a reliable informant claimed was the goal of the Weatherman? This question still applies if Ayers claims–and if his lips are moving, he is telling some shade of lie–that Larry Grathwohl was lying. Mass murder of alleged elites, of bourgeoisie and capitalists, is a prominent and ubiquitous feature of Communist coups. What, if any, moral objection would Ayers have had then if one of those around him raised the question?
Or take voting. Is it bad to disenfranchise people? Is it morally wrong to exclude by law some people from the voting process? If so, why?
Is it then also wrong that people cannot vote AT ALL, with or without ID, in North Korea, and China, and Cuba? What about Nicaragua when the Sandinistas were in charge? What about the pervasive voting fraud under Hugo Chavez?
Is war wrong? Was it wrong still when China invaded Tibet, or North Vietnam South Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos? Was it wrong when North Korea invaded South Korea? Were any of the wars of Communist aggression in Africa wrong, or are mass famine and death perfectly acceptable if one uses an acceptable rhetoric? In general, are some wars OK and some not?
And if he wants to claim a double standard–it is wrong when we do it, and OK when someone else does it–is he not invoking tribalistic ethics, and if he wants to do that, by what means can he claim that what OUR tribe values is wrong? All that has to happen is that most of us believe in it, then it becomes, by his process of logic, morally acceptable. By that logic, every American imperial conquest has been perfectly moral. By HIS LOGIC, nothing we have done that most of us believed in was wrong.
Basic moral reasoning is not complicated. Yes, leftists confuse everyone because that is what they do, by going on offense and asking people to justify things which cannot be justified, but who themselves overlook and even endorse MUCH WORSE at the SAME TIME they are criticizing.
Fuck this. Go on the offense. Alinsky said “make them adhere to their own standards.” This works both ways, and frankly much BETTER when WE are attacking THEM. Go for the balls. Go for the throat. Show no mercy, rhetorically, because they sure as fuck will not show us any mercy. On the contrary: they have been getting away with LITERAL atrocities–rape, torture, murder, political repression–for a century or more, and all of them explained away with verbiage no fool should tolerate for a second.
Look at our inner cities: people like Bill Ayers created them. Look at the sad faces on every corner in Cuba: this is what Bill Ayers wants.
He wants death. He wants pain. He wants poverty. Make him admit this.