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I have been going back and forth with some silly people, but the way I work is that these sorts of things always energize and engage me, and my understanding grows and develops, even when dealing with idiots, or–as appears to be the case here–volunteer or paid propagandists.

Anyway, I became aware that there are many 9/11 Truth groups out there.  The one that caught my attention was Military Officers for 9/11 Truth: http://www.mo911truth.org/

The guy who started it was a trained, professional airplane crash investigator, and he doesn’t think planes crashed in Pennsylvania or the Pentagon.

  • “In my first position paper, titled The Precautionary Principle, [see below] written shortly after the attacks on NYC and the Pentagon, I cautioned readers against a rush to judgment, although the immediate evidence suggested the crime had been an inside job. As the years went by, a virtual mountain of physical evidence was collected by hundreds of highly qualified investigators — evidence  sufficient to convince any dedicated Grand Jury that the horrendous events of 9/11 were clearly an inside job. The Precautionary Principle no longer applies. It is time to positively conclude that a well-orchestrated and obviously pre-planned cover-up of the worst mass murder in our country’s history began immediately following the deaths of 3,000 innocent people on September 11, 2001.  Nearly nine years later the criminal cover-up continues. Fortunately for our country, our judicial system provides no statute of limitations for treason, first degree murder, and terrorism.”
This from a retired Air Force Colonel.

Then you got this guy:

 I am Major General Albert Stubblebine. I am retired Army Major-General. In my last assignment — my last command — I was responsible for all of the Army’s strategic intelligence forces around the world. I had responsibility for the Signals Intelligence, Photo Intelligence, Counter Intelligence, Human Intelligence. They all belonged to me, in my last assignment. …  


I was supposed to find out what the enemy was doing, before the enemy did it so that we could take action against the enemy. That’s Intelligence, OK, before the fact. So, we always — always — rely not on a single piece of data, before we make a statement, but on multiple and the more pieces of data that you have that correlate, the better you know exactly what is going on. …  


So I have had a lot of experience looking at photographs. I have looked at many, many different kinds of photographs, from many, many different platforms on many, many different countries, around the world.  


Interviewer: OK. So on September the 11th, in 2001, what hit the Pentagon? 
General Stubblebine:  I don’t know exactly what hit it, but I do know, from the photographs that I have analyzed and looked at very, very carefully, it was not an airplane.  


Interviewer:  What made you believe that? 
General Stubblebine:  Well, for one thing, if you look at the hole that was made in the Pentagon, the nose penetrated far enough so that there should have been wing marks on the walls of the Pentagon. I have been unable to find those wing marks. So where were they? Did this vessel — vehicle, or whatever it was — have wings? Apparently not, because if it had had wings, they would have made marks on the side of the Pentagon.  


One person counteracted my theory, and said, “Oh, you’ve got it all wrong. And the reason that it’s wrong is that as the airplane came across, one wing tipped down and hit the ground and broke off.” I said, “Fine, that’s possible, one wing could have broken off.” But if I understand airplanes correctly, most airplanes have two wings. I haven’t met an airplane with only one wing. So where was the mark for the second wing? OK, one broke off — there should have been a mark for the second wing. I could not find that in any of the photographs that I’ve analyzed. Now I’ve been very careful to not say what went in there. Why? Because you don’t have that evidence. … 
I did — I’ve never believed that it was an airplane since I’ve looked at the photographs. Up until the time I looked at the photographs, I accepted what was being said. After I looked at it — NO WAY! …  


We pride ourselves with the “free press.” I do not believe the “free press” is free any more. It’s very expensive. It’s very expensive. And the press is saying what they have been told to say about this.  


Now, do I have proof of that? No. But I believe that what is being — what certainly the — the stories that were told — all about 9/11 were false. I mean, you take a look at the buildings falling down. They didn’t fall down because airplanes hit them. They fell down because of explosives went off inside. Demolition. Look at Building 7, for God’s sake. It didn’t fall down to its side. It didn’t fall to this direction or that direction; just like the two Towers.

 
When you look at the temperatures that you can create with fuel in a gas tank or a fuel tank of an airplane, and then you investigate the amount of heat that would be required to melt — to melt — the superstructure of the buildings that came tumbling down, when you put all of that together, the one thing that shows; It does not match the facts. What is it they do not want the public to know?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daNr_TrBw6E

They you got Physicists for 9/11 Truth, who produced many detailed technical analyses, as here:

http://physics911.net/missingwings/

It is inescapable that a MASSIVE, astonishing conspiracy happened on 9/11, one which HAD to have involved elements of our government, certainly including the FBI.  There is no other credible hypothesis.

Donald Trump is a “birther”–which means he has not renounced his reality testing in favor of compliance with a manufactured “reality”–so I wonder if he might be willing to become a “truther”, and put this mountain of lies on the map of ordinary, deluded Americans.

2 replies on “9/11 Truth”

I'm a Vietnam eras Veteran and believed my government as most did. But in April 2015 I happened to be on Netflix and watched 9/11: In Plane Site. The next day I had to watch it again cause what I saw the night before just could not be true…right? I began to get upset, my rational mind was fighting me. After all it had been almost 14 years since 9/11 and the government did its job with the 9/11 commission report…right? That is when I decided I would take some extra time and do my own DD. What I found astonished me. I also went back to the Murrah Federal building the day of bombing and watched the local Oklahoma City newscasts. I read how then president Clinton ordered a special FBI investigative group to look into the bombing. My conclusion after spending almost 5 months doing research and much soul searching wasn't pretty. A definite inside job! No doubt about it.

It's hard to know how far up it goes, but the degree of incompetence far exceeds what one would see from undertrained, stupid people.

As the guy who founded Firefighters for Truth pointed out, there are procedures for investigating fires and collapses, and although he was talking about Tower 7, the same criticism could be applied in Oklahoma City. In both cases all the evidence was hauled away and effectively destroyed before a proper investigation could be done using the standard protocols and standard procedures. Obviously, you don't want to leave the debris there, but it could and should have been carted out some open land somewhere and gone over with a fine toothed comb.

The cover up logically then HAS to include at least some top officials in the investigative agencies, which would include NIST and the FBI. Even now, a 26 page report documenting, apparently, high level Saudi GOVERNMENT support for the hijackers, at least, remains classified.

With regard to 9/11, I think the material of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth is an excellent resource. I give them $25/month. This process will slow, difficult, and as you experienced, more than a bit emotionally painful. But the truth is what it is.

What did it for me with regard to Oklahoma City was General Partin's report. I don't know if you read this, but you should: http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/PARTIN/ok8.htm

This is a good link too:

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/04/okc.html

What to do? I don't know, other than continue trying to tell the truth to as many people as will listen. Most people don't want to hear that our government lies to us. Once you start looking, you see government everywhere. This comment is being logged somewhere, beyond a doubt.

In a sense, once you fall into this particular rabbit hole, your reality splits. You get up every day, do what you do, with the people you do it with. And most of them will think you are crazy if you call much of what goes on in the public domain bullshit. If you point out that what Obama provided as a birth certificate would be thrown out as patent forgery in any court in this country, they have been conditioned to call you a racist. But it remains true.

And as far as that goes, why not go all the way down the rabbit hole? You fought in Vietnam, and you, like most veterans, think we lost that war on the battlefield. We didn't. If you have not, read Lewis Sorley's book "A Better War". It documents the period of 1968-1972 with regards to military developments. Most books focus on the political negotiations. The fact was that the South was fully pacified. The war we started was won. It was lost when we abandoned the South following the congressional coup, and the victory of Communist propaganda on this side of the ocean.

All of these things are deeply troubling, but for my part I don't think life is supposed to be easy, and that all cuts create the opportunity for growth. I believe in a God, and that there is a next life, and that it is much easier for all decent people, regardless of our beliefs.

And as I blogged today, I think there is inherent pleasure and beauty in courage. It is its own reward. We can't know how things will turn out, but we can speak to our efforts and out attitude.

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